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Aaron H

USA
427 Posts

Posted - 06/12/2015 :  08:08:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Art, while having some original leather is desirable, it isn't often that we can unstitch it and re-sew that piece on to another without the leather falling apart. Unless the hide has been hermetically sealed its whole life, mother nature will wreak havoc on our precious original leather making it nearly impossible to work with for patch work.

Original cognac and new cognac will look very different. Not because the new is incorrect, but because our original leather usually darkens, and with cognac, the red spots will have long since disappeared. It's kind of like bright work. You can't re-chrome just one piece of trim. The rest will look awful...where does one stop?

Art, I sent you an email.
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Art Love

Australia
6138 Posts

Posted - 06/12/2015 :  19:40:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Aaron,
I received your e.mail and replied before I read this. We'll keep in touch.
Art
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Aaron H

USA
427 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2015 :  07:39:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok, so I'm putting my 6.3 back to it's original colour interior of 3000 Dark Red. Someone had put a black interior inside of it back in the early 1980's. So it was a beautiful correct interior, but was incorrect colour. Sourcing dark red door caps, door arm rests, and center console tray has proven to be as difficult as finding green interior parts. I want every one's opinion/thoughts on what I have done with the door caps. I've covered them in the correct colour of leather. I know I know, it's not correct, but The leather I bought is the correct leather, and the sheen, grain, and texture mimic the original vinyl underneath perfectly. I covered the door caps in such a manner that they weren't altered to the point of being of no use if someone decided to remove the leather. All the modifications were done on the underside. I had to skive the edges of the leather paper thin to make this work, but after a trial fitment, all was successful.

The other picture is of one of the door panels that I ma almost done with. I just lack the puffy bolster at the bottom. I ran out of foam. My camera doesn't do this leather justice. It makes it dull and lifeless. It's not, and It looks so much better in person. Still, I value everyone's thoughts, negative or positive. Bear in mind that this is the only modification the car will have had done to it. All else will be as original.








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paul-NL

Netherlands
4193 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2015 :  10:53:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

for the door-armrests and other difficult stuff , I would try to paint the black ones with the correct colour leatherpaint 3000 ...

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Jack English

USA
1065 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2015 :  18:50:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have had some of the same conversations with an upholstery shop her in Central Coast of California. I'm trying to do much of this myself. I bought matching vinyl tex-like material which really looks like the cognac leather in the hides I have. It seems that the center tray was originally covered by some sort of injection molding process which we can't replicate. I am going to do the door caps in the vinyl because of sun exposure. I haven't yet decided on whether to use leather on the door cards. The leather is a lot thicker than the vinyl so a bit harder top work with. It has been recommended to me that the center tray should be cleaned as much as possible then sprayed with the proper upholstery dye. At the moment I'm still fighting the velour carpeting.

Jack English
300SEL 6.3 #4768
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Aaron H

USA
427 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2015 :  20:52:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Paul, if I don't find the correct coloured other bits, I'll have no other choice than to dye the black pieces. :/ I just don't like doing that on pieces that get a lot of touching, etc. It's bound to scratch off at some point. I'm so mad at myself.....5-6 years ago I gave a long wheelbase W108 4.5 car to Drew Tibcken because he wanted the rear axle out of it. It had dark red interior. The body was rusty, and the engine needed a lot of work. It was a parts car. I should have kept that interior. Lately, everything I find is either blue or tan. :/

Jack, I think you may run into a problem trying to fit vinyl to the door caps. The vinyl we can buy today is as thick as leather, if not thicker. The problem here is that we can't skive, or shave down, vinyl. The problem complicates itself when it's a W109 car. The later ones have the anodized aluminum trim piece on the door cap, as well. It won't fit over it's lip on the door cap if the material isn't skived.

Regarding the door panels themselves, the original leather wasn't skived on the door panels, so you should be ok there. What I've fond is that the original door cards were saved at the very top for clearance issues between the door card and the door cap. Down at the bottom where the puffy bolster is may be a problem, too. Skived leather, as well as leather that one buys either from Mercedes or Aeristo, is easier to work with than vinyl, especially around these complex curves and bends.

Another area vinyl won't work on is the door pockets. The edges of the door pocket leather are so thin that you can almost see through the leather on the edges. The plastic chrome piping on the door pockets is sewn to the larger piece of leather with a narrower piece sewn into the seam to cover the top lip of the door pocket. So you'll have the thickness of two pieces of vinyl and the piping at that seam. If we tried that seam with vinyl, it would bulge out horribly.

Is there not a place in Europe that still sells the original style vinyl that is very thin? Surely someone in this world has this, or at least has the ability to make it.
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tom.hanson

USA
288 Posts

Posted - 07/17/2015 :  16:35:00  Show Profile  Visit tom.hanson's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Aaron,

Just to clarify some comments in your post above on 03/15/2015. The Classic Center is NOT an Authorized MB Dealership. Not at all. We don't sell new cars here. We are a restoration center and parts supplier, owned and operated by MBUSA. We do occasionally sell classic Mercedes-Benz automobiles, but only three or four per year.

Tom Hanson
Supervisor, Parts Ops
MB Classic Center USA
949 598-4842 direct
thomas.hanson@mbusa.com
ex - 1970 6.3 #4045
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mdavie02

Australia
329 Posts

Posted - 08/24/2015 :  00:20:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Aaron,

I've used VHT vinyl dye on faded red arm rest on my w108 about 10 years ago, and it has lasted incredibly well with no fading or visible wear.
Unfortunately the colour range does not include yours, but there must be another brand available to try.

regards
Michael D
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Ron B

Australia
11545 Posts

Posted - 08/25/2015 :  23:57:16  Show Profile  Visit Ron B's Homepage  Reply with Quote
http://www.smsautofabrics.com/
Anyone tried these guys for hard to get vinyl? I had read recently of a group in the UK who have resurrected a vinyl making machine, not for the faint hearted,these things are 30 meters long.

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12-14-2004, 11:49 PM #8
Tom Hanson
MBCA Member

What the heck, try to stuff a MB 6.9 liter V8 in it. What a machine that would be..
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bigrich406

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 09/15/2015 :  11:31:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anyone know if Adsitco's product looks like the original leather? They claim it does:
Product Description

This seat upholstery is manufactured using the original equipment German Leather to the original pattern for the correct original look. If you have any questions about the color of your interior please supply us with your vin#. All seat covers are special order for your car so please order carefully.
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Aaron H

USA
427 Posts

Posted - 09/16/2015 :  17:53:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Richard. The short answer to your question is no. In essence, they're probably using the same leather all of the other companies buy. In their description, they say it looks like the original. They're not exactly fibbing, as I am sure they do look like the original, but only regarding the pattern, pleating, embossing, etc. It's the color, sheen, (or lack thereof in the case of modern leather), and grain that is not correct. Unless they're using leather from Aeristo, the product won't be what you're expecting.

If you choose to go this route and buy modern leather, the only way to make it work is to recover not only the seats, but all of the door panels and door pockets, as well, so it'll all match. The difference between the original leather and modern leather that other companies sell is night in day in my eyes. It's not even close.

Given the fact that they say "All seat coverings are special order", I'd be willing to bet that they're ordering the seat cover kits from places that everyone else orders from and putting a mark up on the price.
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james lawson

USA
1273 Posts

Posted - 09/17/2015 :  20:43:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Has anyone had any luck grafting material from old upholstery to repair damaged areas?
Jim

jim
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roncor

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 09/17/2015 :  21:56:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wanted to retain my original seat covers and visited several Auto Upholstery shops who all replied, can't be repaired....you need new covers. Finally a company called Leather Medic came out to my garage and repaired the seat. I believe they may be a franchise. Did a great job for around $250, which included repair of tears (with material under as fill in), cracks, and refinishing. If you look around, you may find someone who will repair the seat to your satisfaction.

























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Aaron H

USA
427 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2016 :  08:48:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I recently learned that GAHH is now offering what they call "oldtimer Leather". It's geared towards any car that used Roser leather from the 1950's through the 1970's. I've ordered a sample of every color they have at this point. As soon as I get them, I'll post them on here comparing them with original leather and Aeristo leather. One of the colors they offer is Cognac......this should be interesting....
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S class

South Africa
943 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2016 :  09:46:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looking forward to your findings.



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