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cakalues

USA
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Posted - 08/15/2009 :  20:27:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Paul,

How many SWB Divider cars do you know of have sunroof's in the rear? I heard somewhere that there were only 3, but there has to be more than just 3, at least I would think.

Also, how many SWB divider cars were made total?

Thanks for your help.


Luis
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Gerrett

USA
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Posted - 08/15/2009 :  20:57:22  Show Profile  Visit Gerrett's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Luis:

I believe there were 50 SWB divider cars.

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paul-NL

Netherlands
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Posted - 08/15/2009 :  22:40:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
First,
the code for the front sunroof is 411
the code for the rear sunroof is 412

Now how many SWB divider cars were made.
According the statistic today we have 20 % of produced cars identified from which 31 SWB with divider.
Statisticly should then a production from about 150 be realistic.

How many were made with sunroof in the backcompartment.
From the listed 31 SWB dividercars there were already 6 listed ....
So three would be a bittle to low

numbers 2, 613, 930, 1661, 2344 and mine 2484 ... have code 412
(33, 41, 532, 1643, 2167 and 2384 is unknown)

Here you see the hydraulic switches in my rear door.




from l-r: seatadjustment, window, divider and right the sunroof.
But I don't know if cars with a front sunroof have also a switch in the backdoors.

Edited by - paul-NL on 08/15/2009 23:19:32
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Chris Johnson

USA
3751 Posts

Posted - 08/15/2009 :  23:25:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The cars without a divider window do have switches in the back for the sunroof.

Is there such as thing as a car with the divider that has a sunroof in the front?

Chris Johnson
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paul-NL

Netherlands
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Posted - 08/16/2009 :  08:17:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Chris,

yepp, the blue 1403 for example has a slidingroof in the front.
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Chris Johnson

USA
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Posted - 08/16/2009 :  11:28:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Do you have a data card for this car?

I would consider this to be an anomoly, though, certainly, anything could be ordered.

Chris Johnson
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paul-NL

Netherlands
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Posted - 08/16/2009 :  11:34:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No Chris,

unfortunatly we have not the datacard but you can see it on its picture on page 1.
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Chris Johnson

USA
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Posted - 08/16/2009 :  11:49:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can see it, but, in my opinion, something this unusual should be confirmed as having been built that way by the factory.

I have run into some odd 300SEs over the years that were claimed to be original, but closer review debunked some of the claims (but actually confirmed one or two).

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paul-NL

Netherlands
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Posted - 08/16/2009 :  12:00:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Chris,

It is possible not all buyers and MB-dealers in that time knew that code 412 was optional for a SWB ....

And if not "meanly known" it wasn't ordered, or the buyer/owner had no benefit for that extra option....

Who knows all ..

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cakalues

USA
779 Posts

Posted - 08/18/2009 :  12:52:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Paul, is it true that only the later SWB divider cars had the microphone mounted to the steering column in order to communicate with passengers when the divider window was up?



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paul-NL

Netherlands
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Posted - 08/18/2009 :  13:29:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Luis,

Of course we have probably catched only one fifth of the divider cars, but the first / youngest from which we now have is 001365 with intercom-option.

I believe that KW-option was always available, but most less SWB were in my opinion constantly driven by a personel chauffeur.
The first owner of my car had a personal driver/chauffeur.

And then the KW-option had only real sence, when on the backseat were hold "real secret conversations". Else the dividerwindow would be dropped for a short conversation with the driver.
But, who realy knows "all ins and outs" from the first buyers ....

I could imagine, that car 384 also would have an intercom, but have no pictures of the interior (yet)
Hope this "gueshing answer" is satisfying.


Edited by - paul-NL on 08/18/2009 15:37:06
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Art Love

Australia
6138 Posts

Posted - 08/23/2009 :  04:58:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Paul,

I have heard back from John Freeman. He has been unwell. His SWB divider car is 2167 and you have a picture of it looking rather sad down on its knees. So it is on your list. I just didn't recognize it. I asked him for the VIN's of his 4 cars for you and list them below. He said he would send some pictures when he can. You will have pictures of the pullman as I have posted some before. You probably won't have the white one.

100 012 22 000157 black as I recall - original owner from records I have was "R Irish"
100 014 22 000262 blue - ex Phillip Morris director in Australia
100 012 22 000864 white - ex Tommy Hanlon Jr., an entertainer
100 012 22 002167 blue - ex Perth then Japan
Art
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paul-NL

Netherlands
4193 Posts

Posted - 08/23/2009 :  05:19:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Art Love

Paul,

He said he would send some pictures when he can. You probably won't have the white one.




Thank you Art for your help,
100 012 22 000157 Known, but no pictures.
100 012 22 000864 new and no pictures. Will add it now in my database.

I will wait and would be glad to get those pics in the future.


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will

Germany
63 Posts

Posted - 08/27/2009 :  18:58:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,

here are pics of 600`s with divider: The second pic shows the car of king Moshoushou of Lesotho (Africa) delivered in 1973, the first and the following after the second pic showing a car, which was delivered 1967 to Saudi Arabia without crome at the fenders, the next car was offered some years ago by Gullwing NY and the last was the car of ambassador of Chile in Germany in 1968.

Greetings
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paul-NL

Netherlands
4193 Posts

Posted - 08/27/2009 :  21:31:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Will.

The second picture from the car of king Moshoushou of Lesotho "OA 200" (Africa) is already known. Vin 2194.

the three other cars are new and needs further investigations.
I think we will that also find (sooner or later)
The New Yorker car (pict 5+6) must be between 000974 en 000986.
The chilian Ambassador car in Germany (pict 7+8) must be before 001032.
Tha saudi Arabian car must be after 001027.


Thanks for those pictures.


Edited by - paul-NL on 08/28/2009 16:27:52
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