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rialto9

Australia
53 Posts

Posted - 01/18/2006 :  05:18:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, the basic principle is the same as the water pressure system you use in Canada.
The storage medium in the Bosch bladder accumulator is also (as in the diaphragm or piston
units) nitrogen gas. The Bosch unit mentioned earlier is also a 1 litre unit - same as the original ATE piston accumulator. Bosch has also a number of diaphragm units (spheres) that will all work, providing they can withstand the filling pressure required and have sufficient oil volume.
There are lots of other hydraulic manufacturers (Layer UK) that can all supply more or less the same thing.
For a 1 litre bladder unit I would have to pay approx. AUS $ 700.-- today (trade price). 1999 when we started to use Bosch bladder accumulators it was only about AUS $ 520.--

The only other thing one needs to do is to make a suitable adapter to transfer the check valve from the old piston accumulator to the new unit (as they do not come with ch/valves).

If you want to find out more info on Bosch hydraulics do a search in the Bosch homepage under Bosch Automation Technology.

Good luck,

Walter
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randy crooks

Canada
42 Posts

Posted - 01/18/2006 :  07:45:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Walter,
Thank you for the info.
Randy.
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Art Love

Australia
6138 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2006 :  02:27:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Walter,
I checked with Peter McIntosh, my mechanic about the Bosch sphere in #178. When we had talked about it several years ago when the job was done, he had talked about a twin sphere set up but in fact he ended up using a single large Bosch sphere as recommended by Bosch as it fitted directly to the triangular bracketing already in place on the cotton reel rubbers (as per the air cleaner as you mentioned) below the air suspension master valve in the left side of the engine bay. Interesting that a similar solution to the problem was arrived at on opposite sides of the country!
Art
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rialto9

Australia
53 Posts

Posted - 01/21/2006 :  17:18:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Full details of diaphragm or bladder accumulators can be viewed at

http://www.boschrexroth.com/business_units/brm/sub_websites/brm_catalog/en/Accumulators/Accumulators_Accessories/xM_brm_61701.jsp

click on data sheets.

Walter
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Sam

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2006 :  15:16:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I used to work with bladder accumulators a great deal. They are very reliable and can easily be pressured up with Nitrogen at many better tire shops. Air will do, but the mostiure in it will cause the pressure to expand or contract with the ambiant tempature.

These do need to have the nitrogen pressure checked now and then as it will tend to bleed off over time. This is no big deal and is usually done once or twice a year.

Most are also very easy to rebuild. The inital cost is the hard part, but they can last for 50 years if well cared for although a service life of ten years before replacing the bladder is more like it.

Sam
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weayoub

Lebanon
20 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2007 :  07:13:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Tim

Your article is very helpful. Do you know the serial numbers of the US and Canadien car.
My email: weayoub@cyberia.net.lb

Thank you
William



Edited by - paul-NL on 07/13/2008 16:38:31
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cth350

USA
1509 Posts

Posted - 10/10/2007 :  22:57:23  Show Profile  Visit cth350's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What was the production split between 4 and 6 door lwbs? -CTH
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paul-NL

Netherlands
4193 Posts

Posted - 10/11/2007 :  07:28:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cth350

What was the production split between 4 and 6 door lwbs? -CTH



There were made:
SWB : 2190 = 1917 LHD and 273 RHD
LWB 4 doors : 304 (incl 32 Landaulets) = 265 LHD and 39 RHD
LWB 6 doors : 124 (incl 26 Landaulets) = 104 LHD and 20 RHD.

But the total produced Landaulets is 59 = 49 LHD and 10 RHD(including Berckheim's and Pope's according a overview from the factory).

The statement from M.Trei is, that there are made 9 Presidentials. That statement is partial correct. I discovered that there are indeed 9 presidential FOURDOOR RHD Landaulets and ONE LHD presidential FOURDOOR Landaulet, according that factory overview.
So there are totaly made TEN presidential FOURDOOR Landaulets
.

But there are also made 6Doors Landaulets Presidentials.
There are made totaly 22 SIXDOOR Presidentials, 18 LHD and 4 RHD
.

The Landaulet from Count Berckheim has also the Vinnumber 100.015 and is the 12th built Landaulet. So the Pope's Landaulet must have also that vinnumber 100.015. The discovered overview from the factory also tells us that those both cars have the landauletVIN.

Armoured 100.012 : 26
Armoured 100.014 : 17
Armoured 100.016 : 1 Factory-owned and in the Museum now.

Now there is something WRONG in that factory-overview. They state that there is NO RHD SIXDOOR Pullmann with SHORT SOFTTOP, although the Sultan of Brunei had one which was converted to a AMG V12

So that Factory-overview is not for 100 % correct ..........

Edited by - paul-NL on 04/07/2008 19:13:39
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cth350

USA
1509 Posts

Posted - 10/11/2007 :  15:18:09  Show Profile  Visit cth350's Homepage  Reply with Quote
And to partially answer my own question, I found this statement on www.m-100.de ...

Insgesamt wurden bis 1981 2677 Fahrzeuge gebaut: 2190 Limousinen, 428 Pullmann (304 Viertürer und 124 Sechstürer) und 59 Landaulets (12 Sechstürer). 44 Fahrzeuge wurden gepanzert.


Thx -CTH
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paul-NL

Netherlands
4193 Posts

Posted - 04/07/2008 :  19:30:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote




This was an earlier official Overview from the factory-archive, but it is clearly NOT correct c.q. complete. !!!
Everybody knows the pictures from the Sultan of Brunei, who had a 6door-RHD-Landaulet with short fouldingroof converted/modernised to a V12 AMG.

But according to this statistic Overview from the factory there was NON 6d-RHD-Landaulet produced with short fouldingroof ever. ?????
How about that !!! It looks like they don't have all the datacards with the belonging specifications with special ownerdemands anymore.
Chris Johnson also can't get his Auftragspecification anymore from his black 600, while they can't FIND it in the archives.


A friend of mine confrontated the factory-archive with those failure in the overview and they searched for 2 hours for facts. They would not (or could not?) give a new overview from the correct landauletproduction (protection former owners ??).

Edited by - paul-NL on 05/12/2008 12:09:44
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paul-NL

Netherlands
4193 Posts

Posted - 04/07/2008 :  19:48:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some USA 600 have the "black boxes" for emissionregulating on the 8:1 CR motors.

Those black boxes you can find :
USA delivered 600 Limousine - 100.012, 100.014, 100.015 and 100.016 - from chassis # 001435 up to # 001920.

The later USA delivered 600's don't have those black boxes anymore, but imho still the reduced 8:1 CR.
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paul-NL

Netherlands
4193 Posts

Posted - 06/13/2008 :  19:49:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks investigation of Giovanni Verzoletto, we have now a (still incomplete but informativ)

List of special Kundenwunch-options

KW-Options:

KW 05954/02 Wechselsprechanlage (ohne Monoradio)
Intercom




KW 05971/02 Haltegriff über Handschuhkasten
holdinggrip over the glovebox




KW 05974/01 Steckdose unter Instrumententafel links u rechts
Power-point beneath dashboard left a right
KW 05974/02 Steckdose am Mittelwand links u rechts
Power-point in divider left a right
KW 05974/06 Steckdose unter Instrumententafel rechts
Power-point beneath dashboard right




KW 05985/01 Klapptisch an Fahrerlehne links oder rechts bezw beidseitig furniert
Folding table left and right in wood furneerd




KW 05985/02 Klapptisch links und rechts mit Leder bezogen.
Folding table left and right with leather.




KW 05997/01 Plattenspieler Philips Mignon in Trennwand
single record player Philips Mignon in divider




KW 05997/03 Plattenspieler Philips Mignon und Tonband Uher Report 4000L in Trennwand
singleplayer Philips Mignon and Tapedeck Uher Report 4000L in divider




KW 05992/01 Antenne Hinterkotflügel links; Halterung Autotelefon Kofferraum links
Antenna Tail left; Holder Auto telephone trunk left




KW 09419/05 Deckel fuer Tasche verschliessbar fuer Fondtuer links u rechts
lockable Lid for glove box for rear door left a right




KW 09420 Wegfall des Typenschildes am Heckdeckel = Code 260
less ordered Type badge on the trunk lid = code 260




KW 09421 Diplomatenschild links beleuchtet; Nationalitätenschild rechts auf Tankklappe unbeleuchtet
Diplomatic sign left lightened; Nationality sign right on tank lid not lightened




KW 09423/04 Vorhang über Fondtür links u rechts
Hanging curtains brfore rear doors










KW 09423/16 Vorhang an Trennwand im Fond oben und unten gefuehrt
gliding curtains on divider

KW 09423/17 Vorhang an Fondtuer links und rechts oben und unten gefuehrt
Curtains on rear door left and right above and beneath railed







KW 09434/02 Tonband Philips Kassettenrecorder 330/01 für Aufnahme u Wiedergabe
Tapedeck Philips Cassette recorder 330/01 for recording and playing




KW 09434/05 Halterung fuer Tonband Mikrophon u Kassetten unter Instrumententafel ohne Klima
Holder for Tapedeck micro and Cassette beneath dashboard without airco




KW 09435/03 Fernsehgerät Sony 13 cm TV 500 UET
Sony TV 500 UET 13 cm




KW 09437/01 Fahnenstange (mit Stern) auf die Kühlermaske auf Mitte de Motorhaube montiert
Flag holder (with Star) on the chrome Radiator cowl mid side the Motor hood mounted
KW 09437/02 Fahnenstange (mit Knopf) auf die Kühlermaske auf Mitte de Motorhaube montiert
Flag holder (with Knob) on the chrome Radiator cowl mid side the Motor hood mounted


KW 09443/04 Fernsehgerät Sony 9-306 UM
television Sony 9-306 UM







KW 09445/03 Halterung und Fernsehantenne auf Kofferraumdeckel
Holder and TV-antenna on trunk lid




KW 09453/01 Radiofernbedienung am mittlerer Kastensäule links
Radio remote control on middle door pillar left




KW 09453/02 Radiofernbedienung am mittlerer Kastensäule rechts
Radio remote control on middle door pillar right




KW 09453/03 Radiofernbedienung mit Schalter für Gegensprechanlage am mittlerer Kastensäule links
Radio remote control with Switch for Intercom on middle door pillar left

KW 09453/04 Radiofernbedienung mit Schalter für Gegensprechanlage am mittlerer Kastensäule rechts
Radio remote control with Switch for Intercom on middle door pillar right




KW 09453/06 Radiofernbedienung an Rueckseite Kühlbox zwischen Fahrer- u Beifahrersitz
Radio remote control backside bar between frontseats

KW 09453/08 Radiofernbedienung an rechter Fondtürverkleidung
Radio remote control in right rear door, aschtray moved upwards




KW 09466/01 Klappsitz mitte im W100.016
folding seat middle W100.016










KW 09470/02 Pompadourtaschen in Leder an den Fahrerlehnen links, rechts oder beidseitig
Pompadour bags in Leader on front seat left, right or both sides




KW 09470/03 Pompadourtaschen in Velours an den Fahrerlehnen links, rechts oder beidseitig
Pompadour bags in Velours on front seat left, right or both sides




KW 09481 Loch für Antennebefestigung im Hinterkotflügel links un Montage der angelieferte Antenne
whole for antenna left rear and mounting delivered antenna

KW 09483/02 2en Hörergarnitur in Trennwand rechts oder links
second telephone hook in divider right or left




see part II next page


Edited by - paul-NL on 05/31/2011 10:48:34
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Chris Johnson

USA
3751 Posts

Posted - 06/13/2008 :  21:40:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Paul, I truly appreciate all the effort it takes in conjunction with Giovanni's efforts to get this info together and post it. But If I could have one more wish before I die (besides a perfect 600) it would be to be able read it without having to spend a week getting cozy with my German to English dictionary.

Chris Johnson
If you aren't constantly impressed with your car, then it needs fixing.
100.012-12-000790
100.012-12-000867
109.018-12-000010
109.018-12-000019
109.018-12-003834
www.300SE.org
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mbz63

Italy
68 Posts

Posted - 06/14/2008 :  03:30:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear Chris,
during the next days we will prepare an english and updated version, also because I don't speak german too...

I also thank Wilfried and his brother Thomas from Germany who provide us essential information to prepare this list. Hopefully in the near future we will add also pictures to every KW option.

We kindly ask every 600 owner who has a datacard and especially a produktion order to forward us a copy in order to go on with this project.
Thanks.



[quote]Originally posted by Chris Johnson

Paul, I truly appreciate all the effort it takes in conjunction with Giovanni's efforts to get this info together and post it. But If I could have one more wish before I die (besides a perfect 600) it would be to be able read it without having to spend a week getting cozy with my German to English dictionary.

Chris Johnson
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rialto9

Australia
53 Posts

Posted - 06/15/2008 :  08:25:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Art,
the ball accumulator (or spheres - as you call them) used in the first cars are like the
accumulators used in the 6.9 or the common MB level control system fitted to W123,124,126
cars etc. Only the oil volume and pressure varies.
The Bosch bladder accumulator, mentioned earlier looks like a piston accum. but is actually
fitted with a replacable bladder. Oliver, such a Bosch unit is available here for approx AUS $700.--
I'll try to enclose an image. (no, it didn't work)

Happy motoring
Walter
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